David Chilton gave these two speeches at a full preterist conference in Oklahoma City in 1997, not long after he had become a full preterist, and only a few months before he died. That was the occasion when he made the now famous remark: “…Here I am as a Full Preterist.” Chilton explained the meaning…
Premillennialists connect the “Times of the Gentiles” (Lk 21:24) with the “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom 11:25), and claim that both texts will only be fulfilled after “all Israel” has accepted Jesus as Messiah, returned to the land of Israel, and rebuilt the temple. They see the “times of the Gentiles” as being the whole…
As Douglas Moo notes in his Romans commentary, "Romans 12:1-2 is one of the best-known passages in the New Testament." Here Paul urges the Roman saints to present their bodies as living sacrifices to God, and be transformed by a renewal of their minds. Since some of the Collective Body advocates use this text to…
Another of the most important texts which the Collective Body View (CBV) uses to support its concept of a collective body resurrection is Romans 8:23. They contend that the phrase “our body” mentioned here in this text is a reference to the collective body (the church) being resurrected or “redeemed” at the Parousia. Through grammatical…
We study three uses of the word "body" (Gk SOMA) which are found in Romans chapter eight, verses 10, 11, and 13. When Paul said their "body is dead because of sin" (Rom 8:10), he meant that their bodies were mortal (subject to death, because of sin). Paul said that at the Parousia God would…
We look at two more of the thirteen uses of the word "body" found here in Romans chapter seven, verses 4 and 24. The Collective Body View interprets both of these references to "body" as being collective. However, we show from the context that a collective application of these two texts is absurd, and makes…
This week I listened to one of Ken Ham's presentations on the Biblical Foundations of Western Civilization. He clearly shows that our compromise with Evolution in the interpretation of Genesis 1-11 has played a major role in destroying the foundations of our nation, culture, and the Church. Moreover, we show how some preterists are continuing…
We pick back up on our study of the thirteen uses of the word "body" here in Romans. In this session we get down into the context of Romans chapter six to examine two of those "body" texts found in verses 6 and 12. We use the paraphrase translation of F. F. Bruce to help…
Every few months we accumulate a good supply of emails from listeners asking questions and making comments. This is always high interest content and extremely helpful for a lot of other listeners who have the same questions. There are several comments and questions about the differences between the two resurrection views within Preterism: the Collective…
We take a historical look at the last sixty years since John A. T. Robinson developed his Collective Body concept, and how Max King adopted it and applied it to his resurrection eschatology. We quote from Robinson's 1952 book on The Body, as well as from a couple of recent authors (Holland and Gundry) who…
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